Biblical Fantasy Adventure for Middle Grade Boys
What if David and Goliath took place in the swamps of the American South?
What if the future king of Israel were a twelve-year-old shepherd boy who befriended a tribe of wild swamp people?
And what if this familiar Bible story became an adventure filled with alligators, panthers, giants, and primitive cannons?
Welcome to The Sword and Story Podcast—where we help Christian families find exciting, faith-filled books for their boys.
Our mission is to raise strong, courageous warriors for the Kingdom of God. Join us on a quest to discover stories that inspire our boys to grow into godly young men.
I’m your host, Laurie Christine. I’m an author, bible teacher, wife, and mom to four wild, wonderful, boys. I’m the author of the Dragon Slayer Bible Series, adventure-packed biblical fiction and devotions for middle-grade boys.
Our guest author today is Jonathan Rogers.
Jonathan Rogers is the author of the beloved Wilderking Trilogy, a middle-grade fantasy-adventure series inspired by the biblical story of King David. He hosts The Habit Podcast, where he talks with writers about the craft of writing. Jonathan grew up in Georgia and has spent much of his adult life in Nashville, where he and his wife raised their six children. Find him at thehabit.co.
The Wilderking Trilogy: The Bark of the Bog Owl
Biblical Fantasy Adventure for Middle Grade Boys
In The Bark of the Bog Owl, book one in the Wilderking Trilogy, Aidan Errolson comes from a long line of storied adventurers, but he never has any real adventures of his own. That, he believes, is the one great injustice of his otherwise happy life.
All that will change the day he hears the bark of the bog owl and meets Dobro Turtlebane. Dobro is one of the Feechiefolk—a tribe of half-civilized swamp dwellers who fight too much, laugh too loud, cry too easily, and smell just terrible.
But another meeting will change Aidan’s life even more profoundly. Bayard the Truthspeaker arrives with a startling pronouncement about the coming of the Wilderking, the long-prophesied wild man who will emerge from the deep reaches of Corenwald’s forests and swamps to lead the kingdom back to its former glory.
These 20th-anniversary editions of the Wilderking Trilogy include newly-written material by the author and all-new illustrations by Joe Hox. They may smell faintly of the Feechiefen Swamp.*
*If book does not smell faintly of swamp, soak in tepid water for 3-4 months for dramatic results.
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TRANSCRIPT OF INTERVIEW
The Bark of the Bog Owl by Jonathan Rogers
Welcome
Jonathan Rogers: Well, thank you so much for having me, Laurie. I’m glad to be here.
Laurie: Well, we are excited to talk to you. You have been on my list of authors who I’ve been wanting to invite to the podcast for several years now, actually. And I’m so glad we’re making it happen.
Jonathan’s Parenting Journey
Laurie: So Jonathan, before we dive into your book series, could you start out by telling us a little bit about who you are, and specifically a little bit about your parenting journey?
Jonathan Rogers: Well, as you said, I live in Nashville, Tennessee. I’ve spent my whole adult life, my whole married life here, and raised all our kids here. But our kids are all grown now, so we’re parenting adult children. Two are married, three are still in town, which is really fun to have them nearby, and three are scattered around the country. And I have to say, I love having grown-up kids. They’re really fun to have back, and they love each other, and it’s really fun to just gather and to enjoy one another.
I think that’s such an important aspect of parenting: taking pleasure in each other. Obviously, sometimes it’s more pleasurable than other times, but the good news is, on this side of it, everybody enjoys everybody, and I think that makes a big difference. I think that’s pretty close to the heart of the gospel: this delight. Relationships that are characterized by delight, and an ability to engage the world in delight. And that’s an important part of my artistic efforts, really: to alert people to the delights that are around them and encourage them to step into the abundance that’s available.
Laurie: I love hearing that. A lot of our listeners are parents in the trenches with young kids, young boys, middle grade boys, teenage boys, and I love hearing that the result of our efforts does pay off. We love having adult children, there are still close relationships, and the boys, like your kids, love each other. I don’t think you mentioned it, but I know you told me you have four boys, just like I do, and also two girls.
Jonathan Rogers: And also two girls, that’s right.
Laurie: Which is great. And it’s great to hear that they want to hang out together as a family, and they want to be together.
Delighting in Our Children
Laurie: I’m going to throw a quick parenting question at you. What would you say to parents who are thinking, “I really, really want to establish that relationship with my kids so that when they are adults, they want to come home. They want to be together.” Do you have any advice or thoughts on what we can be doing now as parents of boys, but really all kids in general, that will foster that delight in each other as a family when they are all adults? So that whether they’re halfway across the country or not, they’re going to want to come back and connect with their parents and connect with their siblings?
Jonathan Rogers: Well, I think a lot of times Christian parents think it’s their job to control their kids. It makes a huge difference to me to remember that Jesus loves my kids more than I do, and that He has them. So when we go through phases where we’re not on the same page, in whatever way, I can tense up and try harder to control the kids, or I can say, “These kids are going to be all right, because Jesus loves them,” and I can delight in this person.
There’s something Norman Maclean said that makes a big difference to me, and that is that you can love completely without understanding completely. He was talking about a rebellious son. The parents never understood the son, and the son never understood the parents. But I love that insight that you can love completely without understanding completely. And you can also delight. I know I led with that idea of delight, but when you can say, “I’m going to delight in this person, whether they’re doing everything right right now or not, whether they are thinking the way I want them to think or believing what I want them to believe right this minute, I can still delight in that person. Jesus loves this person a lot, and I can too.”
Laurie: That’s such a great reminder. We are called to love our children, and you don’t have to have that understanding in order to delight in them. So it sounds to me like you’re saying delighting in your children can be a choice. Even if you don’t necessarily like what they’re doing or the choices that they’re making, especially with adult children in your case, you can still delight in them because of who they are and because of the relationship that you have, even if you don’t necessarily like their behavior. I think that’s a good encouragement for our listeners to remember that delighting in your children can be a choice. You can choose to delight in them.
Well, suddenly this turned into a great discussion on parenting, but we are here to actually talk about your books, which I’m really excited about.
Jonathan Rogers: We can do that too.
Laurie: So I do appreciate those thoughts for sure.
The 20th Anniversary Editions of the Wilderking Trilogy
Laurie: So let’s talk about the Wilderking Trilogy. These books were actually written twenty years ago, maybe longer than that now, and then they were re-released.
Jonathan Rogers: That’s right. They were originally released in ’04, ’05, and ’06. Then I got the rights back, I don’t know, ten years ago, somewhere along in there. And then the Rabbit Room Press re-released the books with new covers, new illustrations, and some bonus material a couple of years ago.
Laurie: And that is when I first heard about them. I was not familiar with the series until the re-release, and I saw the covers and I was like, “I need those books. Those look amazing.”
Jonathan Rogers: Aren’t they gorgeous? That was Stephen Crotts who did those covers. Stephen does a lot of book covers and has a very recognizable style. But the other thing about Stephen Crotts is that he is an amateur herpetologist, and he loves to go into the swamps in South Carolina and catch snakes, lizards, alligators, turtles, all that stuff. So I said to Stephen, “We love your covers, but I also want you to lean into this other side of you.” And he was delighted to. So if you know Stephen Crotts’s style, you can see that Stephen Crotts did it, but it’s unlike anything else that he’s done, because he got to delight in that swampy thing that he’s way into.
Laurie: That’s so fun.
An Overview of the Wilderking Trilogy
Laurie: So yes, the storyline takes place in a swamp. It is like a medieval swamp. For our listeners who are not familiar with this series at all, give us an overview. What is the Wilderking Trilogy? I know there are three books in the series, and I’ll just tell you the titles real quick. Book one is The Bark of the Bog Owl, book two is The Secret of the Swamp King, and book three is The Way of the Wilderking. So Jonathan, give us an overview. What is this series about?
Jonathan Rogers: Well, you already identified that the story is inspired by the story of young David. I was always interested in this idea of David knowing he’s going to be the king someday, but he’s not the king yet. He’s got decades. I’m not sure exactly how long it was from the time that Samuel came and said, “You’re going to be the king,” to the time he’s actually the king. But that gap has always been interesting to me, and that feels like what it’s like to be a kid. “I know I’ve got a future and a hope. I know God has something interesting for me, but right now I don’t even have a driver’s license.” What’s that like?
And then another super interesting question to me is, what’s it like when the adults in your life have taught you stuff that they don’t seem to believe? How do you stay faithful? Young David had the adults in his life saying, “God’s going to fight for us, and we have nothing to fear.” And then when he shows up at the camp where Goliath is, everybody’s terrified. So what’s he going to do, the young person? Does that mean what the adults had told him was not right, and therefore he’s not accountable to those ideas and those truths? Or does he have a responsibility? That’s always been interesting to me.
So anyway, I’ve gotten off track. Those are some of the ideas I was wanting to explore in a story. So we have a young boy who keeps sheep on his father’s farm, and he finds out from a wandering prophet that he’s going to be the king someday. And it’s not just any king, it’s the Wilderking, which is a king that comes from the swamps, from the forest, from the wild places. Which is odd, because our young protagonist doesn’t live in the wild places. He lives on a farm. And so the story takes him out into the swamp, and, well, I won’t spoil the end. Possibly he comes back from the swamp to become the king. I’m not going to say one way or another.
Wild Boys and the Feechiefolk
Jonathan Rogers: But I’ve always been super interested in the idea of what that wildness is for. In some ways, we need to civilize our young people, and yet we don’t need to civilize them too much. You mentioned you have wild boys. God put that wildness in there. That wildness wasn’t a mistake. And so the wildness is personified in a tribe of swamp people called the Feechiefolk. And they conduct themselves very much like some of the people I knew in junior high, let’s say, growing up in Georgia. Their lives are marked by physical courage and a lack of civilization.
And so we’ve got our young protagonist trying to figure out how he is going to live in both worlds. How is he going to bring some of that energy from the wilderness into the civilized world without becoming a complete wild man himself? So, lots of alligators, lots of swamp critters and things like that, because I’ve always loved that stuff.
Laurie: Very fun. I just love this concept of a biblically based story. Now, it’s not a one-to-one allegory, because there are a lot of other things that are happening. The Feechiefolk, I don’t think, were in the Bible, but maybe you could make a parallel somewhere.
Jonathan Rogers: No.
Laurie: And it’s set in the swamp, but it also has this medieval feel to it. It’s just a fun—
Jonathan Rogers: It is pre-modern, yeah.
Writing a Story When Readers Already Know the Ending
Laurie: Just a fun take on this story. And you were saying, “I’m not going to give away the ending of what happens.” I mean, if we read the Bible, we might guess the ending.
Jonathan Rogers: You might be able to guess.
Laurie: That’s the challenge of writing biblical narratives. I run into that as well with my Dragon Slayer Bible Series. Everyone already knows what happens at the end of the story, so it’s a fun, creative challenge to still make the story adventurous and suspenseful, even though we kind of know where it’s going. So that’s very fun.
Jonathan Rogers: Well, the truth is, I think we sometimes overestimate the importance of not knowing the end. Lots of stories we enjoy, we already know what the end is, but we don’t know how we’re going to get from here to that end. And so I was never super worried about it. I will say, as the series goes on, the connections to the David story get subtler and subtler.
Do Readers Need to Know the Story of David?
Laurie: I was curious if a reader needs to know the story of David. I’m sure they will enjoy the story more if they know the story of David, but I also imagine that if a kid who maybe isn’t even a Christian picks up this book, he could enjoy the story without having known about the story of David at all?
Jonathan Rogers: I should hope so. The David story is compelling in itself. As a matter of fact, what got me thinking about that particular story was a series of sermons from Eugene Peterson. Those sermons became the book called Leap Over a Wall, about the life of young David. And in reading that book, I realized the narrative possibilities that were all baked in. Three of the great adventure plots are baked into the life of David, and those three plots are book one, book two, and book three of my story.
The first one is the dragon slayer story: Jack and the Beanstalk, and David and Goliath. The second is the quest story, where you’re sent out to get something and come back with it. That’s when Saul sends David out to, well, to kill Philistines and come back. And then the third story is the Robin Hood story: living as an outlaw in a world where to do the right thing is to be out of favor with the prevailing authorities. When David runs off with his mighty men to live in the caves, they are literally outlaws, because Saul has made them persona non grata. That’s the third book. So it was from that sermon series from Eugene Peterson that I cooked up these particular stories.
Laurie: That’s so great.
Jonathan Rogers: It’s funny, because I was listening to those sermons while I had gone to visit a friend in Florida. We went canoeing in the swamp and saw the alligators, saw the herons, saw all that stuff. At the same time, I was listening to the sermons, and they all got mashed up. And I went to a bagel shop in Orlando and sketched out all three stories right there.
Fantasy Without Magic
Laurie: That’s amazing. You’re like, “What if David was in the swamp?” That’s so fun. And your books are in the fantasy genre, but they’re not a typical fantasy. There’s no magic, and there are no wizards or elves. So it’s a little different.
Jonathan Rogers: Yeah, there are no elves. There’s no other category to put them in, because they’re set in an imaginary place. It’s a place that’s not a real place. But I just decided the point was to draw people’s attention to what’s pretty marvelous, and perhaps magical, about the actual world we live in. I know some people are opposed to magic in stories. I’m not opposed to magic in stories. I just don’t have any in my story. It’s just not that kind of story.
I was thinking about having a swamp goblin, and my wife was like, “Are you sure you need a swamp goblin? You’ve got alligators, you’ve got panthers, you’ve got all these things that exist in the real world. They’re pretty fantastic.”
Laurie: Real-life monsters.
Jonathan Rogers: “Are you sure you want to muddy that up with magical creatures?” I was like, “That is a great point.” And so there’s no swamp goblin. The only dragons are the alligators. But they’re a whole lot like dragons.
Laurie: Yeah, they are. That’s really cool. My series, in a similar way, is based on real-life characters and events, but is fantasy-adjacent because there’s a dragon. But there’s no magic or wizards or things like that.
Channeling Boys’ God-Given Wildness
Laurie: I want to go back to something that we touched on at the beginning. We mentioned the wildness of boys, and your heart for conveying that wildness, and how God has put that in our boys’ hearts. That is at the heart of my books as well, and the heart of my podcast and my ministry: the idea that God has given our boys this desire to be wild and this desire to fight battles and slay dragons, and as parents, we have a responsibility to channel that God-given desire into fighting for God’s kingdom.
So I was wondering if you could talk about that a little bit. You specifically mentioned in a blog post that I read that John Eldredge’s book Wild at Heart had some influence in inspiring you to write the series. Just talk about that a little bit, and how that played into the series.
Jonathan Rogers: I do think we need to be careful in the way we talk about fighting for God’s kingdom, that we’re not talking about creating an us-and-them situation where God’s on my side, and these people I disagree with are bad news, and I need to be fighting them.
Laurie: Sure. Right.
Jonathan Rogers: And I have to say, the world has changed a little since I wrote these books in 2004, 2005, 2006. Sometimes I think back on the way I was inclined to talk about battling, and think, now, if somebody takes this to mean, “We’ve got all these bad people we’ve got to somehow defeat, and God’s on my side, and God’s not on their side because they’ve taken the wrong political position, therefore I’ve got to go slay them”—I think we have to be really careful to know that the dividing line runs right through the middle of me. What I mostly need to be battling is my own tendency to, you name it, whatever kind of wrong approaches to having a good life. I’ve got all those tendencies.
So I feel like it’s important to make that clarification. I know that’s not what you were talking about. You weren’t talking about somehow taking up arms against our neighbors or anything like that. But I am feeling the need to clarify, because I think sometimes people can take that the wrong way.
Our Battle Is Not Against Flesh and Blood
Laurie: I think that’s a good clarification for sure. I have talked about that too, in different interviews and on my podcast. The Bible says very clearly that the battle we’re fighting is not against flesh and blood. We are battling against divine forces in the heavenly places—
Jonathan Rogers: The principalities and the powers, yeah.
Laurie: And that is what our battle is against. And I do think that one of the tactics of the enemy is to trick us into thinking that our neighbor is the enemy, that they are the bad guy. And yes, there are bad guys. There is evil. I don’t want to give my kids this view of the world that everybody’s really good at heart and they just made some bad choices or had a bad childhood. No, there are people who do evil, and there is an ultimate force of evil at work in the world. But in general, the fighting that we’re doing is against the lies of the enemy that are trying to tell you, “You should hate these people because they think differently than you.” No, we should love those people because they think differently than us, and we should try to win them into God’s kingdom and show them God’s love. So I absolutely agree with that. It is important.
And then when I look at my boys, yes, they do want to fight physical battles with sticks and swords and Nerf guns and all of the things. A lot of times, the tendency of parents is to look at that and say, “No, no, no. We want to be nice to everybody. That’s not okay, because we don’t want to offend anybody.” But instead, we can see that God-given desire and say, “Okay, I see this in you. This is what it’s for. Here’s where this needs to go, so that you can fight in the right way.”
Jonathan Rogers: Yeah, for protecting the weak.
Holiness Looks Like Getting Your Hands Dirty for the Sake of Others
Jonathan Rogers: Right. I think one thing that is relevant to the stories that I write is the idea of being connected to the actual world, the physical world. A lot of times, the characters’ courage is defined in terms of engaging with the actual world: interacting with animals, for instance, alligator wrestling, those kinds of things.
Again, what does that have to do with the kingdom of God? I think it has to do with a willingness to engage the world that we find ourselves in, and to have the courage of one’s convictions.
When we talk about boys and their desire to bite their toast into the shape of a pistol to shoot each other at breakfast, which I think is hilarious—I just heard about a friend of a friend who took all the toy guns away so the kids couldn’t play violent games, and they bit their toast into the shapes of guns to shoot each other at breakfast.
Laurie: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Jonathan Rogers: What is that? That’s not just the result of the fall. There’s something going on there: that desire to be physically engaged in the world. The shooting and the hitting is just one corner of that, I think. And so that’s something I’m really interested in. Here’s what I’m trying to get at: instead of thinking of holiness as something that happens in the abstract, it’s also connected to the way that we are embodied in the world, and a willingness to get involved, to get your hands dirty for the sake of others.
I think that’s the key. You used the word directing or redirecting. I think that tendency boys have to wrestle, to engage, to shoot each other with toy guns—insofar as we can say, “If you’re doing that for the sake of others, and not as a way to exalt yourself or as a way to dominate others.” I think that’s what it comes down to, right? Are you willing to engage for the sake of others, or are you only willing to engage for the sake of dominating?
Laurie: That’s a great distinction. That was actually a theme in the last book that I wrote, Land of Giants. The protagonist was learning to use weapons, and he had the wrong motive at first. He wanted to be strong, he wanted to impress his friends, and he wanted to be dominant over others. But by the end, he learned that the King actually provided him with these weapons so that he could protect others, and so he could fight against the dragon, who is the ultimate enemy. So I love that distinction.
And I loved the line that you said: holiness looks like getting involved in the world for the sake of others. It’s very practical. It’s not up-on-a-mountain, meditating holiness.
Jonathan Rogers: Right.
Laurie: It’s living your life with others, and serving others, and loving others. That’s what holiness can look like.
“You’ve Got What It Takes”
Laurie: So, steering it back around to the books, how does that theme come out in your books? What does that idea of serving others, connecting with others, and connecting with the world look like in your books?
Jonathan Rogers: It plays itself out in that there certainly are physical battles involved. Essentially, there’s the question of—we live on this island where people came because of the oppression of what was going on in an empire that they left. And that empire is always threatening to overly civilize this island that’s a little wild. So, as I said, there are physical battles involved, but similar to what you were talking about in your book is the idea of: don’t love the battle. Love the place and the people that you’re fighting for. That’s a recurring theme.
I talked about the idea of not dominating, or not exalting yourself. But I will also say that people need to know—especially boys—they need to feel like they are a force to be reckoned with. They need to feel like they have got what it takes. And that’s a recurring theme: people saying to one another, “Hey, you’ve got what it takes.” And I think as we affirm our boys—“I see you. You are a force to be reckoned with. You’ve got what it takes”—it’s a little easier for them to channel these wild tendencies in ways that are helpful and good. Listen, we also know that unchanneled wild tendencies get ugly fast.
Laurie: Sure, for sure.
Jonathan Rogers: But I remember what it’s like to be a young boy. So much of the desire to do great deeds, whether that’s to win at sports, which I was never able to win at very much, or get in a fistfight, whatever, was this need to demonstrate that I’m a force to be reckoned with. And it’s really helpful when adults are saying, “You’re already there, man. You don’t have to prove this. You’ve got nothing to prove.”
Laurie: Yeah.
Jonathan Rogers: And now let’s channel that energy elsewhere—again, not to squelch that energy, not to destroy it or neutralize it, but to channel it. It makes it a lot easier when, like I was saying when we started, you have the idea that you’re delighted in. Somebody sees you, and you don’t have to be the kid who pushes down a classmate because bad attention is better than no attention.
The Bark of the Bog Owl
Laurie: Yep. For sure. Well, there are so many great topics that we could discuss. I love the philosophical level of this, and the direction this discussion has gone. But before we are out of time, I’m going to read the back cover of the book. This is The Bark of the Bog Owl, and it’s book one in the Wilderking Trilogy. This is just so you get a good picture of the plot and what the story is about, and then we will wrap up here in a minute.
“Aidan Errolson comes from a long line of storied adventurers, but he never has any real adventures of his own. That, he believes, is the one great injustice of his otherwise happy life. All that will change the day he hears the bark of the bog owl and meets Dobro Turtlebane. Dobro is one of the Feechiefolk, a tribe of half-civilized swamp dwellers who fight too much, laugh too loud, cry too easily, and smell just terrible.
“But another meeting will change Aidan’s life even more profoundly. Bayard the Truthspeaker arrives with a startling pronouncement about the coming of the Wilderking, the long-prophesied wild man who will emerge from the deep reaches of Corenwald’s forests and swamps to lead the kingdom back to its former glory.
“These 20th-anniversary editions of the Wilderking Trilogy include newly written material by the author and all-new illustrations by Joe Hox. They may smell faintly of the Feechiefen Swamp.”
And then there is a footnote here that says, “If book does not smell faintly of swamp, soak in tepid water for three to four months for dramatic results.” I love that. That made me laugh out loud.
The Charlatan’s Boy
Jonathan Rogers: And we need to talk about The Charlatan’s Boy, another book set in the same world. It’s also set on the island of Corenwald, in a different generation, and it’s coming out in October of 2026. So I’m excited about that. That book came out in 2010 originally, and again, Rabbit Room Press is re-releasing The Charlatan’s Boy. And to tell you the truth, that’s my favorite of the four novels.
Laurie: That’s amazing. I’m so glad you said that. I was just about to ask if there are any additional books outside of the Wilderking Trilogy. So The Charlatan’s Boy will be available in October, I imagine wherever books are sold. That is so fun. So tell me about the connection between this book and the Wilderking Trilogy. I actually was not aware that it was connected.
Jonathan Rogers: It is connected, yes. The Charlatan’s Boy has a first-person narrator who’s a young boy who travels around Corenwald with a showman named Floyd, and they make their living by pretending to be Feechies. We have the Feechiefolk in the Wilderking stories, and the civilizers never know whether to believe in Feechiefolk or not. They don’t know if they’re real or not. They go back and forth. Sometimes they believe in them, sometimes they don’t.
And so in The Charlatan’s Boy, things are going along just fine for Grady, our narrator, and Floyd, until people just stop believing in Feechies, and then their Feechie show falls apart, and they’ve got to figure out what they’re going to do with themselves.
But the point of the story is—the first line is, “I don’t remember one thing about the day I was born.” And the idea is, we only know who we are because somebody has told us who we are. We don’t really know where we came from. I’ve heard that I was born in Warner Robins, Georgia, in 1969. I don’t remember anything about that, but I trust the people who tell me that. What do you do if the only person who can tell you where you came from is not trustworthy? What if he’s a charlatan?
And so we’ve got a boy who doesn’t know who he is and doesn’t know where he came from. He sometimes makes his living by pretending to be a Feechie, but when that falls apart, and nobody believes in Feechies anymore, he makes his living by being the ugliest boy in the world. He gets shown around as the ugliest boy in the world. And what’s that like, to be the ugliest boy in the world? So anyway, they have adventures, and our boy Grady tries to figure out who he is. So it’s a great book.
Laurie: Very fun. That sounds like a really fun adventure. Is it connected to the David story at all, or is it just set in that world?
Jonathan Rogers: No, it’s just set in that world. That’s right.
Connect with Jonathan Rogers
Laurie: Okay. Very cool. I will have links in the show notes for our listeners to get a hold of that book. What is the best way for our listeners to connect with you and learn about your books? What website would you direct them to?
Jonathan Rogers: TheHabit.co is my main website. It’s geared more toward my membership site for writers. I need to get a little more bookish stuff on there, to tell you the truth. But TheHabit.co is where I can be found. Not dot com, dot co.
Laurie: Okay, dot C-O. Sounds good. And I was just looking around, and I believe RabbitRoom.com has a lot of good information about your books as well.
Jonathan Rogers: That’s right.
Laurie: They’ve got links to the books, and they’ve got illustrations. I wanted to ask you too: I noticed that you have a curriculum guide available, and that’s also at RabbitRoom.com.
Jonathan Rogers: That’s right, for the Wilderking books. The Rabbit Room store is a great place to get all my stuff.
Laurie: Okay. And of course, the books are available on Amazon and other book vendors. I see that there are some coloring sheets that look like a lot of fun. So definitely check out both of those websites if you’re interested in those additional resources. I will have links to all of those things in the show notes.
And Jonathan, I really appreciate you joining us today on The Sword and Story Podcast.
Jonathan Rogers: Great. Well, thank you, Laurie. Thanks for having me.
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